4985 results mobil band

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169076967

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 20 €

Metal band saw blade, band saw blade -unused original packaging -Number: 5x sheets available -Price: per piece -Toothing: 5/8 ZpZ W -Dimensions: 2950 x 27 x 0.9 mm -Weight: 0.6 kg

Category: 105 saws / Band Saw Automatics
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 157209451
New in: 2019

used

Location: Land-nl

cutting diameter: 810 mm saw band length: 8200 mm cutting width: mm Control: total power requirement: 4 kW weight of the machine ca.: 4 t dimensions of the machine ca.: 4020 x1630 x 2570 mm Brand: BMSY Type: 810 CGH Year of make: 2019 Capacity round 45º: 555 mm ø Capacity round 60º: 320 mm ø Capacity round 90º: 810 mm ø Capacity square 45º: 700 mm Capacity square 60º: 310 mm Capacity square 90º: 770 mm Capacity rectangular 45º: 555 x 770 mm Capacity rectangular 60º: 310 x 770 mm Capacity rectangular 90º: 810 x 770 mm Mitre: 60 ° Saw blade dimension: 8.200 x 41 x 1,3 mm Saw speed: 20 - 100 m/min Saw motor: 4 kW Machine dimensions (lxwxh): 4.020 x 1.630 x 2.570 mm Machine weight: 3.970 kg Cap. 30 ° round: 700 mm ø Cap. 30 ° straight: 700 x 770 mm Cap. 30 ° square: 700 mm The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

Category: 105 saws / Band Saw Automatics
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 157209455
New in: 2019

used

Location: Land-nl

cutting diameter: 1020 mm saw band length: 9500 mm cutting width: mm Control: total power requirement: 7,5 kW weight of the machine ca.: 7 t dimensions of the machine ca.: 4500 x 1700 x 2750 mm Brand: BMSY Type: 1020C Year of make: 2019 Capacity round 90º: 1.020 mm ø Capacity square 90º: 1.020 mm Capacity rectangular 90º: 1.020 x 1.020 mm Mitre: 45 ° Working height: 535 mm Saw blade dimension: 9.500 x 54 x 1,6 mm Saw motor: 7,5 kW Machine dimensions (lxwxh): 4.500 x 1.700 x 2.750 mm Machine weight: 6.950 kg Clamp: 1 x 45 ° adjustable Hydraulic clamping including top clamp The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 01.01.2025
approved
dealer
item-No.: 157447913
New in: 2009

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169076975

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 25 €

Metal band saw blade, band saw blade -unused -Number: 7x sheets available -Price: per piece -Toothing: 6/8 -Dimensions: 4570 x 41 x 1.7 mm

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169087409

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 20 €

Metal band saw blade, band saw blade, metal saw band -Metal saw band: 34 x 2 mm, unused -Length: 3800 mm -Weight: 1.2 kg

Category: 105 saws / Band Saw Automatics
Latest update: 16.08.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 157457510
New in: 1997

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 7.700 €

material dimensions max. round: ​Ø 380 mm max. square: 380 x 380 mm segment length with single stroke: 10 - 510 mm with multi stroke: max. 4590 mm dimensions LxWxH: 3100 x 2200 x 1850 mm weight: 3.100 kg

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169091127

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 2.150 €

Wood band saw, band saw machine, band saw, vertical band saw -Band saw: Vertical band saw -Drive: 5.5 kW -Cutting width: max.780 mm -Cutting height: max.300 mm -Saw band: length 5500 mm -Dimensions: 1800/875/H2440 mm -Weight: 870 kg

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169100205

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 20 €

metal band saw blade, band saw blade, metal saw band -Manufacturer: Eyltool, metal band saw M42 unused -Type: M42 2060x20x0.9 ZpZ 8/12 -Number: 10x metal saw band available -Price per piece -Transport dimension: Ø 230 / 40 mm -Weight: 0.3kg/pcs

Category: 109 other metal working machines
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169112708

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 35 €

Tubular heater, heating tape, heating sleeve, mica heater, cylinder heater, heating cylinder, ceramic heating tape -Manufacturer: Erge, heating tape heating sleeve -Type: Ø56 x 22mm -Item No.: 814 682 65 -Heating power: 250 W -Voltage: 230V -Dimensions: 150/140/H60 mm -Weight: 0.3 kg

Category: 109 other metal working machines
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169112740

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 55 €

Tubular heater, heating tape, heating sleeve, mica heater, cylinder heater, heating cylinder, ceramic heating tape -Manufacturer: Erge, heating tape heating sleeve -Type: Ø120 x 44mm -Heating power: 750 W -Voltage: 230V -Dimensions: 200/120/H60 mm -Weight: 0.4 kg

Category: 109 other metal working machines
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169112744

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 45 €

Tubular heater, heating tape, heating sleeve, mica heater, cylinder heater, heating cylinder, ceramic heating tape -Manufacturer: Erge, heating tape heating sleeve -Type: Ø90 x 30mm -Item No.: 858 762 65 -Heating power: 500 W -Voltage: 220 V -Dimensions: 230/160/H80 mm -Weight: 0.4 kg

Category: 201 saws wood / Special band-sawing machines
Latest update: 13.07.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 157884467

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 3.500 €

Very high quality cone cutter from Makita 55013 Ready to use Beam height up to 400 mm Eeep90t Range up to 240 mm Cone racks 0 to 130 mm Cone length maximum 340 mm Motor power 2.2 Kw lateral adjustment range 45/20 mm Dimensions 100cm x 64cm 110 (length-width-height) Weight approx.120 Kg For head houses the workpiece is clamped schraeg

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169123849

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 28 €

Metal band saw blade, band saw blade, metal saw band -Manufacturer: Wikus, bi-metal saw band M42 unused -Type: Biflex Kobali M42 3660 x 25 x 1.5 mm -Quantity: 5x sheets available -Price per piece -Transport dimensions: Ø 410 / 50 mm -Weight: 0.7kg/piece

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169123856

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 20 €

Metal band saw blade, band saw blade, metal saw band -Metal band saw blade: saw band unused -Type: 4125 x 26 x 1.5mm -Quantity: 3x sheets available -Price per piece -Transport dimensions: Ø 450 / 40 mm -Weight: 0.8 kg/piece

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169123863

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 180 €

Metal band saw blade, band saw blade, metal saw band -Manufacturer: Wikus, 10 pieces of bi-metal saw band M42 unused -Type: Biflex Kobali M42 3700 x 25 x 1 mm -Quantity: 10x sheets available -Price: complete -Transport dimensions: 800/700/H30 mm -Weight: 8.2 kg

Category: 105 saws / Band Saw Automatics
Latest update: 16.08.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 158370060
New in: 1999

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 9.500 €

- 2 saeulen-execution - Working area Durchm. u. Square 420 mm - Material feed length 3 - 600 mm single feed , - Cutting speed infinitely variable 12-100 m/min. - Heegeband dimensions 6050 X 40 X 1.3 mm - Drive 9.5 kW - Dimensions L/BH 2050 x 2725 x 2080/ 2530 mm - Weight: 4000 kg - Machine dimensions: L x W 1500 x1900 mm - Weight: approx. 1700 kg

Category: 207 gluespreader machines
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169148292
New in: 1994

used

Location: Land-de

Gluing unit, gluing part, gluing head, heating tank for edge banding, edge banding machine, melting unit with granulate container for edge processing machine -Manufacturer: Paul OTT, aggregate carrier from edge banding machine U 206 -Individual components: see photos -Dimensions: 780/400/H230 mm -Weight: 27 kg/piece

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169155250

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 20 €

Metal band saw blade, band saw blade, metal saw band -Manufacturer: Bayerwald, metal band saw M42 unused -Type: M42 2480x27x0.9 8/12 -Quantity: 1x metal saw band available -Transport dimensions: Ø 280 / 55 mm -Weight: 0.5 kg/piece

Category: 400 packaging machines
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169157032

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 65 €

Strapping pliers, tensioning and sealing device, manual strapping device, tensioning device -Strap tensioner: Tensioning device for strapping -Bandwidth: 12-19 mm / max. 22 mm / see photos -Dimensions: 480/100/H170 mm -Total weight: 1.3 kg

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169161600

used

Location: Land-de
Price: 20 €

Metal band saw blade, band saw blade, metal saw band -Manufacturer: Holex, Bi-metal saw band unused -Type: 173605 5/8 -Length: 2710 mm -Number: 7 sheets available -Price: per piece -Transport dimensions: Ø 300 x 40 mm -Weight: 0.5 kg/piece

Category: 209 other wood working machines
Latest update: 13.08.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169256527
New in: 2003

used


Category: 105 saws / Band Saw Automatics
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 158651016

used

Location: Land-de

cutting diameter: rund 250 mm cutting diameter: vierkant 230 mm cutting diameter: flach 280 x 200 mm dimensions of saw-band: 2950 x 27 x 0,9 mm sawing stroke: 290 mm weight of the machine ca.: 610 kg The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 158651037

new

Location: Land-de

cutting diameter: 170 mm dimensions of saw-band: 2080 x 20 x 0,9 mm table height: 880 mm cutting speed: 40 + 80 m/min : 170 mm : 125 mm : 150 x 190 mm : 95 x 120 mm total power requirement: 1,1 kW weight of the machine ca.: 0,24 t Dimensions (LxWxH): 870 x 1.550 x 1.740 mm mm Miter band saw Demonstration system at a special price ! The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

Category: 105 saws / Band Saw Automatics
Latest update: 15.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169333698
New in: 2018

used

Location: Land-de

Key data: 530 mm

Automatic machine with mitre Cutting Area 90° round 530 mm 90° flat 530 x 800 mm 45° flat 530 x520 mm 30° flat 530 x 320 mm Cutting angle 45°-0°-60° Saw motor 3.0 kW Belt speed 20 - 120 m/min, infinitely variable Equipment: - 99 Programs - Machine stand with chip loading tray - Hydraulic cutting pressure regulation - Stepless speed adjustment - Hydraulic guide arm adjustment - Minimum quantity lubrication - Shutdown at the end of the cut and retraction behind Movable jaw - Chip brush running along - Hydraulic mitre adjustment - Hydraulic vise clamping - Hydraulic saw blade clamping - Instruction manual

Category: 105 saws / Band Saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 158651055

new

Location: Land-de

capacity 90 degrees: round: 250 mm capacity 90 degrees: square: 210 mm : 290 x 210 mm saw band length: 2.965 x 27 x 0,9 mm mm table height: 940 mm band speed: 35 / 70 m/min total power requirement: kW weight of the machine ca.: 0,35 t The Z252/DG has the following equipment: - hydraulic cylinder, - emulsion pump, - eccentric clamp, - base, - saw blade, - 400V plug -16A- The machine is delivered fully assembled and ready for immediate use. The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 158651098

new

Location: Land-de

capacity 90 degrees: round: 255 mm capacity 90 degrees: square: 240 mm : 300 x 180 saw band length: 2.765 x 27 x 0,9 mm mm table height: 950 mm band speed: 18 - 110 m/min total power requirement: 1,5/1,8 kW weight of the machine ca.: 0,42 t The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

Category: 105 saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 158651103

new

Location: Land-de

capacity 90 degrees: round: 255 mm capacity 90 degrees: square: 240 mm : 300 x 180 saw band length: 2.765 x 27 x 0,9 mm mm table height: 950 mm band speed: 35 + 70 m/min total power requirement: 1,5/1,8 kW weight of the machine ca.: 0,42 t dimensions of the machine ca.: 1,23 x 1,7 x 1,75 m The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

Category: 105 saws / Band Saw Automatics
Latest update: 11.08.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 159195213
New in: 2000

used

Location: Land-si
Price: 8.800 €

WE OFFER AN EXCELLENT CONDITION FULLY AUTOMATIC BANDSAW INCLUDIN DOCUMENTATION FOR CUSTOMER WE CAN ORGANIZE TRANSPORT AS WELL WE CAN ORDER FOR CUSTOMER RESERVE BLADES.

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 16.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169340613
New in: 2010

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 16.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169340619

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 105 saws / Band Saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 159098447
New in: 1972

used

Location: Land-de

table-size: 670 x 670 mm throat: 1030 mm workpiece height: max. 300 mm saw band length: min. 4700 mm saw band length: max. 4800 mm total power requirement: kW weight of the machine ca.: 1,0 t Accessories: saw band welding and grinding attachment - table swivelling left / right - hydr. feed in table The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

Category: 105 saws / Band Saws
Latest update: 07.09.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 159716070
New in: 2022

new

Location: Land-de

cutting diameter: 810 mm saw band length: 8200 x 41 x 1,3 mm cutting width: 810 mm cutting capacity - flat: 480 x 850 / 45° mm cutting capacity - round: 480 / 45° mm speed: 20 - 100 m/min sawing motor: 4 kW total power requirement: 6 kW weight of the machine ca.: 3100 kg dimensions of the machine ca.: 3000 x 1200 x 2350 mm Accessories: • Inverter • hydraulical vice • automatical movement to the top via hydraulical cylinder. The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 16.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169340628
New in: 2009

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 16.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169340797
New in: 2015

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 16.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169340798
New in: 2012

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 105 saws / Band Saws
Latest update: 22.07.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 159130415

new

Location: Land-de

S131GH Metal band saw Motor: 230V 1.1kW 50Hz Feed infinitely adjustable Band saw blade speed: 22/ 31/ 55 m/min Band saw blade 1638x13x0,65 mm Cutting angle -45° to 60° Dimensions 1085 x 498 x 978mm Net weight 78kg G&STÜ-3300131

Category: 105 saws / Vertical Bandsaws
Latest update: 16.03.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 160101270

new

Location: Land-de

Projection: 610 mm Installation height: 340 mm Working height: 1015 mm Table size: 600 x 500 mm Table size additional table: 220 x 500 mm Band saw blade length: 3970 mm Cutting speed, infinitely variable: 20 - 85 / 120 - 500 m/min Band saw width: 3 - 16 mm Table tiltable, 4 directions: 15° Main engine power: 1.5 kW Connected load band welder: 2.4 kVA Weight, approx.: 700 kg Equipment: - Stepless cutting speed - Belt welding device - Band saw blade in adjustable precision guides - All-round tiltable tiltable (not applicable to machines with table feed due to design) - Belt scissors - Sanding unit - Chip brush - Eye bolt for moving the machine - Machine light . LED speed indicator - Blow-out device -CE

Category: 105 saws / Band Saw Automatics
Latest update: 11.08.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 159194769
New in: 2015

used

Location: Land-si
Price: 6.500 €

FMB ORION WITH LEFT AND RIGHT CUTTING ANGLE INCLUDING USER MANUAL AND SPARE PART DOCUMENTS MOVING VICE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT CUTTING CAPACITY LOOK ON PHOTOS ROUND: 240 SQUARE : 240X240 CUTTING ANGLE 1. - 45. 2. 0 ...TO60 FOR CUSTOMER WE WILL CLEAN AND PREPARE MACHINE FOR SHIPPING. AS WELL WE CAN OFFER TRANSPORT FOR OUR CUSTOMER

Category: 105 saws / Vertical Bandsaws
Latest update: 16.03.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 160101272

new

Location: Land-de

Cutting width: 1010 mm Cutting height: 340 mm Working height: 1000 mm Table size: 600 x 500 mm Stepless cutting speed: 1st gear: 20-85 m/min 2nd gear: 120 - 500 m/min Band saw blade length: 4540 mm Band saw width: 3 - 16 mm Tilting and tiltable table in 4 directions: 15° Motor power: 1.5 kW Weight, approx.: 800 kg Equipment: - Band saw blade - Stepless cutting speed - Belt welding device - Band saw blade in adjustable precision guides - All-round tiltable tiltable (not applicable to machines with table feed due to design) - Belt scissors - Sanding unit - Chip brush - Eye bolt for moving the machine - Machine light - LED speed indicator - Blow-out device -CE

Category: 836 post press: other
Latest update: 18.05.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 159848735

used

Location: Land-de

Edge banding machine Sumbel Perkeo 60; good condition; cleaned and tested; Working width 60mm; 1 roller; suitable for cold glue; new table; new glue basin; new roller; new clutch. Edge gluing machine Sumbel Perkeo 60; good condition; cleaned and checked; working width 60mm; one roller; used for cold glue; new table; new glue reservoir; new scooter; new clutch.

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 16.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169340881

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 16.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169340913
New in: 1998

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 16.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169340914
New in: 1997

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 16.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169340920
New in: 1997

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 105 saws / Vertical Bandsaws
Latest update: 16.03.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 160104859

new

Location: Land-de

Cutting width: 355 mm Cutting height: 230 mm Working height: 960 mm Table size: 500 x 400 mm Stepless cutting speed: 20 - 90 m/min Band saw blade length: 2840 mm Band saw width: 3 - 16 mm Tilting and tiltable table in 4 directions: 15° Motor power: 0.75 kW Weight, approx.: 250 kg Scope of delivery: - Band saw blade - Stepless cutting speed - Belt welding device with annealing unit - Machine light -Scissors - Grinding station - Chip brush - Blow-out device - LED digital display (to indicate the cutting speed) - Table with stop groove - Parallel fence -CE

Category: 105 saws / Horizontal Bandsaws
Latest update: 24.07.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 160104860

new

Location: Land-de
Price: 499 €

Cutting range round 0°: 127 mm Cutting area flat 0°: 125 x 130 mm Cutting range round 45° right: 90 mm Cutting area square 45° right: 90 x 90 mm Cutting range approx. 60° right: 45 mm Cutting area square 60° right: 45 x 45 mm Vice opening: 130 mm Band saw blade dimensions: 1440 x 13 x 0.65 mm Cutting speeds: 30 - 80 m/min Motor power: 0.55 kW Voltage: 230 V Weight approx.: 25 kg Characteristics: - Two cutting speed levels for optimal adaptation to the workpiece - For miter cuts, the saw bracket can be swivelled up to 60° - Including workpiece stop for rational work - Optimum cutting results thanks to band saw blade guide with ball bearings - High-torque engine, even under continuous load - Under load, the motor electronics keep the cutting speed largely constant - Environmentally friendly, as there is no need for lubricating and coolant fluids - Smooth, low ...

Category: 105 saws / Horizontal Bandsaws
Latest update: 24.07.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 160104868

new

Location: Land-de
Price: 1.079 €

Cutting range round 0°: 150 mm Cutting area square 0°: 150 x 150 mm Cutting area flat 0°: 150 x 165 mm Cutting range round 45°: 115 mm Cutting area flat 45°: 115 x 130 mm Cutting range round 60°: 60 mm Cutting area flat 60°: 70 x 70 mm Working height: 700 mm Band saw blade dimensions: 1735 x 13 x 0.65 mm Cutting speeds: 40 - 80 m/min Motor output power S1 100%: 0.75 kW Voltage: 400 V Machine dimensions: 1200 x 750 x 1250 mm Weight approx.: 85 kg Characteristics: • For cutting profiles, tubes, solid materials made of VA, iron and non-ferrous materials • For miter cuts, the saw bracket can be swivelled by up to 60° • Infinitely variable lowering via hydraulic lowering cylinder • Torsion-free, strongly dimensioned saw arm made of grey cast iron • 2 cutting speeds for optimal cutting results • Robust construction, therefore smooth and vibration-fre ...

Category: 836 post press: other / Banderoling machines
Latest update: 16.04.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 169340921

used

Location: Land-de

Category: 105 saws / Horizontal Bandsaws
Latest update: 24.07.2026
approved
dealer
item-No.: 160104870

new

Location: Land-de
Price: 1.429 €

Cutting range round 0°: 150 mm Cutting area square 0°: 150 x 150 mm Cutting area flat 0°: 150 x 165 mm Cutting range round 45°: 115 mm Cutting area flat 45°: 115 x 130 mm Cutting range round 60°: 60 mm Cutting area flat 60°: 70 x 70 mm Working height approx.: 700 mm Band saw blade dimensions: 1735 x 13 x 0.65 mm Cutting speeds : 40 / 80 m/min Motor output power S1 100%: 0.75 kW Voltage : 400 V Machine dimensions : 1200 x 750 x 1250 mm Weight approx.: 85 kg Characteristics: • For cutting profiles, tubes, solid materials made of VA, iron and non-ferrous materials • For miter cuts, the saw bracket can be swivelled by up to 60° • Infinitely variable lowering via hydraulic lowering cylinder • Torsion-free, strongly dimensioned saw arm made of grey cast iron • 2 cutting speeds for optimal cutting results • Robust construction, therefore smooth and vi ...

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