linde h 35 used for sale

T-slot plate, clamping plate with dovetail slots, plate field, welding table, welding table -Intermediate plate: for hydraulic press eccentric press -Opening: 150 x 100 mm -Groove width: 18 mm -Hole spacing: 200 x 250 mm, Ø 14 mm -Dimensions: 480/350/H60 mm -Weight: 66 kg

Year of manufacture 2001 Heidenhain TNC 310 Travel distances 350 x 240 x 340 Spindle speed 20 - 5000 Drive power 6.3/10 KW Total connected load 15 kW Tool holder SK40 Accessories: el. Handwheel Universal swivel rotary table 400 x 280 mm, Rotation range 360°, swivel range +105/-15° with electronic angle display Coolant Setup

Dial gauge, zero adjuster, zero adjuster, zero adjuster -Manufacturer: Holex, zero adjuster type 359085 -Measurement accuracy: 0.01mm -Box dimensions: 165/120/H60 mm -Weight: 1.5 kg

Container turning device, welding turning device, roller stand -Roller stand: wheels Ø 125 x 35 mm -Roller spacing: 140 mm -Quantity: 1 piece available -Dimensions: 350/80/H170 mm -Weight: 6.6 kg

Clamping plate, marking plate, measuring plate, measuring table, surface plate, marking plate -Clamping plate: surface plate with adjustable feet -Length: 3500 mm -Width: 1750 mm -Plate thickness: 50 mm -Plate: with support ribs -Dimensions: 3500/1750/H815 mm -Weight: 4750 kg

Heavy-duty transport rollers, machine rollers, transport trolleys, heavy-duty trolleys, tank rollers, machine transport rollers steering gear -Transport roller: Transport chassis -Load capacity: t -Dimensions: 350/250/H145 mm -Weight: 17.3 kg

Clamping bracket, T-slot plate, clamping table, clamping cube, clamping plate, clamping tower, clamping box -Clamping cube: heavy version -Length: 350 mm -Material: Steel -Dimensions: see photo -Dimensions: 350/250/H200 mm -Weight: 62.3 kg/pc.

Machine vice base plate, clamping plate, vise plate, rotary table -Rotary table: Turntable for vise -T- Round groove: 20 mm, dimensions see photos -Degree display -Dimensions: 350/320/H45 mm -Weight: 20 kg

2-column punching tool, separating tool, punching tool, punch, punching die, punching stamp, column frame -Punch tool: 2 columns, stroke 12 mm -Punch dimensions: 1x Ø7 mm / 1x radius 13 mm, see photos with dimensions -Dimensions: 535/350/H267 mm -Weight: 142 kg

T-slot plate, clamping plate with T-slots, plate field, welding table, welding table -Dimensions: 1500/3516/H260 mm -Plate thickness: 30 mm -Plate is: with supporting ribs -1x T slot: 17 mm -Weight: 1800 kg

Rego Herlitzius Type: Rotec 350 Circular knife Year of construction 2010 Cutting width: 3 – 25mm completely made of stainless steel for loaves max 3250mm length on casters tested and cleaned Stock level: 2 pieces

Telephone system, deck stations, base stations, landline telephones, mobile phones

Technical data for the pallet racking system: Shelving system: Jung Heinrich Type: Esmena Technical data for the installation: Number of rows of shelves: 01 pcs. Length per row of shelves: 14,135 mm Number of fields per row of shelves: 05 pcs Number of levels plus ground level: 05 pcs. Technical data on the volume: Pallet spaces per field: 18 pcs. Number of pallet spaces per row: 90 pcs. Total number of pallet spaces: 90 pcs. Based on: Loading aid: Euro pallet EN 13698-1 Dimensions: 1,200 x 800 x 150 mm Total height incl. pallet: n.d. Weight per pallet (max.): approx. 800 kg The scope of delivery includes: 06x Pallet rack stand, used Material colour: Ral 5019 blue Frame profile: MX630 Profile dimensions: 100 x 81.3 x 1.8 mm System perforation: 50 / 50 mm incl. transverse and diagonal struts, Footplates The stands are pre-assembled ( bolted truss ) Heigh ...

CNC Machining Center Hedelius BC 100 P-3500 Magnum Control: Siemens Sinumerik 840D Travel: X-axis 3,500 mm Y-axis 1,000 mm Z-axis 770 mm Clamping area 4,150 x 1,000 mm T-slots 5 pieces Distance T-slots 200 mm Table height above floor: 730 mm Table load: approx. 4,000 kg Mount: DIN 69871 SK 50 Tool magazine: 50 – compartment Spindle speed: 20 - 4,500 rpm Accessories - Door automation - Handheld operator - Machine hood -Conveyor

A complete UPG system for polyester resin granulate production is available. 1) High-speed Henschel fluid mixer FM 350C, speed: 1500 rpm, heating unit: Lauda. 2) Raw material supply system with 6 bunkers, screws and vibrating chutes. 3) Conveying system with a collecting tank located 9m above the mixer and a Demag 4t rope hoist. 4) Schenk fluidized bed cooler. 5) Engelsmann ED 250/4 flat bed screen. 6) Alpine B40/63 RO granulator. 7) 2 annular gap compactors Siemens. 8) 2 Kessler & Luch blowers, volume flow: 7000m³/h. 9) Aerobic filter, filter capacity: 4000m³/h. Documentation available. On-site inspection is possible.

Fan, blower, duct fan, duct radial fan -Manufacturer: Helios, duct fan type KD 355/6/70/40 -Power: 1.63 kW 806 rpm -Fan wheel: Ø 360 mm -Number: 2 fans included -Price: per piece -Dimensions: 740/785/H475 mm -Weight: 43 kg/pc.

Riveting machine (1 head), Make Hang, Model 84 HS 350, Year 1992, Distance till frame 300 I5542423 mm, Rivet I5542423 transport Automatic rivet transport, Distance till frame: 300 mm, Rivet transport: Automatic rivet transport

0: 945 x 605 x 605 mm operating pressure: 2,2 - 5,5 bar dimensions: 1,0 x 0,61 x 1,65 m : 1300 x 1000 x 750 cm Air consumption: 250 l/min. weight of the machine ca.: 0,09 t The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

cutting diameter: 350 mm saw band length: 4160 x 34 x 1,1 mm cutting width: 350 mm cutting capacity - flat: 400 x350 / 90° mm cutting capacity - flat: 400 x 350 / 30° mm cutting capacity - flat: 290 x 300 / 45° mm cutting capacity - round: 350 / 90° mm cutting capacity - round: 320 / 30° mm cutting capacity - round: 320 / 45° mm feeds - fine adjustment: 20-100 mm hydraulic motor: 0,37 kW coolant pump AC: 0,12 kW drive motor: 2,2 kW total power requirement: 2,7 kW weight of the machine ca.: 1,05 t dimensions of the machine ca.: 2100 x 1300 x 850 m Accessories : automatic sawing functions, hydraulic clamping, material feed via driven rollers, pneum. adjustable lowering speed, sawing programs adjustable via touch screen, EU quality and CE standards, The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

saw blade diameter: 350 x 32 mm capacity 90 degrees: round: 120 mm capacity 90 degrees: square: 105 x 105 mm capacity 90 degrees: flat: 180 x 70 mm capacity 45 degrees: round: 120 / 110 mm capacity 45 degrees: square: 100x100 / 95x95 mm capacity 45 degrees: flat: 135 x 60 mm turning speeds: 1700 / 3400 U/min Control: MEP NC total power requirement: 1.5 / 2.2 kW weight of the machine ca.: 290 kg range L-W-H: 1240 x 1360 x 1800 mm Features: - Semi-automatic high-performance circular saw For cuts from 45° right to 45° left In aluminum and light metal alloys - MEP microprocessor control Simple user interface with display and mechanical buttons Start and end positions of the saw head can be saved - Manually opened safety cover - Mechanical stops at -45°, +0°, and +45° Enable quick positioning of the saw head - Pneumatic vise with quick-release clamp Pneumatic clamping system allows ...

saw blade diameter: 350 x 32 mm capacity 90 degrees: round: 115 mm capacity 45 degrees: round: 110 mm capacity 60 degrees: round: 90.0 mm capacity 90 degrees: square: 95 x 95 mm capacity 45 degrees: square: 95 x 95 mm capacity 60 degrees: square: 90 x 90 mm capacity 90 degrees: flat: 180 x 95 mm capacity 45 degrees: flat: 125 x 95 mm capacity 60 degrees: flat: 90 x 90 mm 0: 15 / 30 / 45 / 90 U/min Control: MEP NC total power requirement: 1.8 / 2.5 kW weight: 410 kg range L-W-H: 2050 x 1050 x 1120 mm Equipment / Description: - NC electro-pneumatic semi-automatic machine (INDUSTRY) for cuts from 45° right to 60° left - MEP NC control with soft-touch keyboard with backlit display - The saw head is guided on preloaded linear guides . on a sturdy cast steel column - The powerful 2-stage gearbox was specially designed for cuts . in solid material - A total of 4 blade speeds are available t ...

Brown & Sharp Tesa Hite 350 Digital Height Gauge 007.30041

Tip height: 355 mm Center width: 3000 mm large circulation Ø over bed/recess/bed slide: 715/790/520 mm Spindle bore: 86 mm Spindle holder according to DIN 55027: Gr. 11 Tailstock quill taper: MK 5 21 spindle speeds: 5.6 - 560 rpm 42 feeds longitudinal/flat: 0.09 - 5.6/0.045 - 2.8 mm 22 Whitwort Thread: 2 - 28 Gg 28 metric thread pitches: 1 - 14 mm 27 module thread pitches: 0.25 - 3.5 module 32 module threads: 4 - 56 module 32 Diametrical Pitch Threads: 8 - 112 DP Drive motor, pole-switchable: 380 V, 7/11 kW Weight approx.: 7 t Approx. space requirement: 6000 x 2300 mm

General SKU354T960 MakeClima Temperatur Systeme LocationBarneveld CEcheck TypeC+10/350/S Pressure Working pressure25 Bar Main Features MaterialStainless steel Volume338 Ltr. Max.temp.90 °C Specified Features - Drying oven Climate box:Temperature Test Chambers: Max. temperature90 °C Capacity338 Ltr, (quantity: 0,9 kg) Internal width645 mm Internal depth710 mm Internal height740 mm Steam heatingcheck Electric capacity3,2 kW Number of doors:1 With air circulationcheck With fancheck With trayscheck MaterialStainless steel General No.007147 Year of construction2001 Floorspace0,85x1,7 m Total height1,9 m Weight400 kg Extra SpecificationsTemp. bereik: 10-90 °CVochtigheidsbereik: 10-95%rFDauwpunt vereist 1: 5-89 °CDauwpunt vereist 2: -19-5 °CConsumer wastePaints & coatingsPowdered foodsDrying ovensGeneric medicinesTea, herbs & coffeeFine chemicalsStarchOther ...

General SKU307X459 MakeGauthier No.685 Year of constructionunknown LocationBarneveld Pressure Working pressure3 Bar Main Features MaterialStainless steel Surface0.15 m2 Specified Features - Horizontal plate filter Plate filtercheck Horizontalcheck Filter surface0,15 m² Number of platens9 Platen sizesDia. 430 mm Top connectionscheck Solids outletDN25 Liquid outletDN25 With jacketcheck MaterialStainless steel 1.4306 (304L) With jacketcheck General Mounted on wheelscheck Floorspace0,65x1,10 m Total height1,40 m Weight350 kgFine chemicalsOther chemicalBiotechnologyAgrochemicalsPlastic & polymersCatalysts & fillersFeed additivesCosmeticsFood additivesAnimal feedSolid pharmaceuticsBeveragesDyes & pigmentsBiopharmaceuticalMinerals & inorganicHorizontal plate filtersGauthierIndustries > Chemical > Fine chemicalsIndustries > Chemical > Other chemicalIndustries > Chemi ...

Vacuum extrusion press 'UNIVERSA' PZG 40-40a with 400 mm Ø and 18.5 kW drive (expandable up to 55 kW). Maximum pressing pressure: 30 bar. Extruder incl. PZSVG 35a pre-press with 15 kW drive. Includes base frame with motor clamping device. In regularly serviced condition; last revision in 2022. Previous use: Production of ceramic roof tiles. Available for an extra charge: vacuum generator and various mouthpieces.

Dynajet 350 TH Heli – Used High-Pressure Cleaner Used Dynajet 350 TH Heli high-pressure cleaner in very good condition. Technical details: Year of manufacture: 2022 Operating pressure: 350 bar Flow rate: 16 l/min Operating hours: 331 hours Equipment: Including accessories The machine is well maintained and ready for immediate use. More information, photos, and price available on request.

General SKU354T1032 LocationBarneveld CEcheck MakeClima Temperatur Systeme TypeC+10/350/S Pressure Working pressure25 Bar Main Features MaterialStainless steel Volume338 Ltr. Max.temp.90 °C Specified Features - Drying oven Climate box:Temperature Test Chambers: Max. temperature90 °C Capacity338 Ltr, (quantity: 0,9 kg) Internal width645 mm Internal depth710 mm Internal height740 mm Steam heatingcheck Electric capacity3,2 kW Number of doors:1 With air circulationcheck With fancheck With trayscheck MaterialStainless steel General No.007020 Year of construction2000 Floorspace0,85x1,7 m Total height1,9 m Weight400 kg Extra SpecificationsTemp. range: 10-90 °CHumidity range: 10-95%rFDew point req. 1: 5-89 °CDew point req. 2: -19-5 °CConsumer wastePaints & coatingsPowdered foodsDrying ovensGeneric medicinesTea, herbs & coffeeFine chemicalsStarchOther chemica ...

General SKU290S396 LocationBarneveld MakeHermann Waldner GmbH &: Co (D) Type350 ltr No.929 Pressure Working pressure jacket3 Bar Main Features MaterialStainless steel Volume350 Ltr. Specified Features - Vertical tank Open vertical tankcheck Capacity350 ltr Vessel sizesdia. 830x510mm Conical bottomcheck Outletdia. 50mm Max. temperature100 degr. C With jacket(55 ltr) Max. temperature140 degr. C MaterialStainless steel With jacketcheck General Year of construction1979 Mounted on legscheck Floorspace1,2X1,1 M Total height1,2 M Weight300 Kg Extra Specificationswith removable product basket, dimensions dia. approx. 700x450mm (approx. 175 ltr)Oils & fatPaints & coatingsGeneric medicinesOintmentsFine chemicalsOther chemicalBiotechnologyRubberAgrochemicalsPlastic & polymersCatalysts & fillersFeed additivesSolventsDetergent & surf.Other pharmaceuticsCosmeticsLubricants ...

PEMA HPS 3500 & TPS 3500 welding positioner was built in 2021 in Finland by Pemamek Oy Ltd. The system consists of two, extremely versatile machines – the HPS 3500 headstock and the TPS 3500 tailstock with a combined payload of 7 tonnes. This solution is dedicated to lifting and rotating long workpieces, making it ideal for the production of, among others, wind towers, trailer frames or tubes. Both machines can work together or independently. The stepless height adjustment ensures precise adjustment of the working parameters to the dimensions of the workpieces. Technical specifications of the PEMA HPS 3500 & TPS 3500 welding positioner - maximum payload: 7 t (headstock 3.5 t + tailstock 3.5 t) - rotation speed: 0.06-1.3 rpm - tilting axle height adjustment range: 700-1500 mm - work table plate diameter: 950 mm - T-slots on work table plate: M20 DIN508 (4 pcs.) - maximum torque ...

Profile steel shears, profile shears, punch, punching machine, hole punch, hydraulic flat/profile and bar steel shears -Manufacturer: Mubea, hydraulic profile steel shears type HPSN 350 -Drive: hydraulic -Pressure force: 35 tons -Equipment: large support table with stops for punching -Punching -scissors -Cut -Notch -various punches and dies -Dimensions: 1460/1700/H1690 mm -Weight: 1080kg

Folding former, folding machine, form folding machine, profiling machine, profiling system, slat production, blind production -Length measuring device: used for slats/blinds production -Rotary encoder: Heidenhain ROD 426.003 - 1000 -Pneumatic components: Manufacturer Festo -Dimensions: 350/400/H1130 mm -Weight: 80 kg

Unit carrier, clamping plate, travel table, for modular units, format processing unit, chipping unit, milling unit, profile milling unit, jointing milling unit, cross-cutting unit, double-end tenoner, edge processing machine, scoring motor, chipping motor, milling motor for edge processing machine -HOMAG unit carrier for milling units -with heavy guidance -laterally movable -with counter -Table height: 275 mm -Table surface: 3575 x 295 mm -Table thickness: 20 mm -Price: per piece -Quantity: 1x available -Dimensions: 3575/295/H275 mm -Weight: 356 kg

Digital ruler for press brakes, bending benches, guillotine shears... Glass ruler, glass measuring rod, scale, digital display, measuring rod, length measuring system, length measuring device, linear scale, positioning display, digital scales, linear encoder -Manufacturer: RSF Elektronik, linear encoder from press brake HACO type PPES 30135 -Type: MSA 3502 -Measuring length: approx. 270 mm -Quantity: 2x encoders available -Price per piece -Dimensions: 500/150/H50 mm -Weight: 5.4 kg/pc.

Core for crane traverse, adjustable traverse, crane traverse, hall crane, crane hook traverse, load traverse, heavy load traverse, -Heartpiece: for crane traverse, sheet metal upper traverse -Art.No.: 1031 4140 G-12-02-02 -Dimensions: see photos -Quantity: 2 pieces available -Price: per piece -Transport dimensions: 350/180/H310 mm -Weight: 17.7 kg/piece

Description Heidelberg Steel Roll Chain for Saddle Stitcher ST 350 Part 08B-1X124E-SYNO

Description Hole punch for saddle stitcher Heidelberg Stitchmaster ST 350 with punching tool radius 5mm (others on request)

General SKU132X770 MakeEberhard Hoesch &: Söhne, Düren TypeGK6/3500/SO No.32 6333 Year of construction1988 LocationBarneveld Main Features MaterialHastelloy Volume3500 Ltr. Motor9.2 KW Specified Features - Stirring vessel Open stirring vessel(1x) Capacity3500 Ltr Vessel sizesdia. 1800x1300mm Dished bottomcheck Flat top sidecheck With covercheck Manhole800x450mm Outletdia. 175mm With jacketcheck With propellor stirrer:Hoesch Gegenstromrührer: With gate type stirrercheck Motor9,2 KW + 7,5 KW, 380/660 Volt Speed mixing shaftvariable (12-49 prop./ 21-87 Rpm gate) MaterialStainless steel 2.4610 (Hastelloy C-4) With jacketcheckOils & fatPaints & coatingsPowdered foodsGeneric medicinesOintmentsTea, herbs & coffeeFine chemicalsStarchOther chemicalBiotechnologyRubberAgrochemicalsSpicesPlastic & polymersCatalysts & fillersFeed additivesSolventsDiscountStirring vessels ...

General SKU004K022 MakeKraftanlagen Heidelberg LocationBarneveld TypeST-350/6D Main Features Motor180 KW Inlet diameter350 mm L/D6 Specified Features - Single screw extruder Single screw extruder:Pin extruder: Screw diameter350 mm L/D6 With jacketcheck DC-motor180 kW (400 V) + 53,7 kW (400 V) Inlet350 x 285 mm Screw can be heatedcheck MaterialMild steel With jacketcheck General No.91.02 4295916 Year of construction1991 Without switchgearcheck Floorspace5,5 x 1,7 m Total height2,0 m Weight11.000 kg Extra Specifications- With die head for 167 strands - With die face cutter - Extruder can be used for PVCRubberSingle screw extrudersPlastic & polymersDiscountPlastic & rubberNew arrivalsHeidelberg KrafIndustries > Chemical > RubberExtruders > Single screw extrudersIndustries > Chemical > Plastic & polymersDiscountIndustries > Recycling > Plastic & rubberNew arrivalsB ...

Beverage cooler for 10 x 50 L KEG - Hefa - Type 4.2 - Temperature infinitely variable - Dimensions 2.2 m wide, 1.45 m high with unit, 1m deep - Year of construction 2021 - Project: BEVERAGE COOLER -25- MWWOBAU

Panel saw manufactured in 2008. This HOLZMA HPP 350/43/38 features a saw blade projection of 80 mm and a cutting length of 4300 mm, providing efficient cutting capabilities. It includes a powerful main saw motor of 13.5 kW and a scoring saw motor of 2.2 kW. If you are looking to get high-quality panel cutting capabilities, consider the HOLZMA HPP 350/43/38 machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details.

The system consists of two bell furnaces, maximum temperature: 1100°C, annealing chamber: 2x 1000mm, electrical connection: delta, current rating: 433A, connected load: 300kW, equipment: power control, temperature control, process monitoring, safety controller, emergency stop system, motorized drive for bell movement, air conditioning unit, electrical control cabinet, and control system. Inspection on site is possible.

Dimensions (L/W/H): 2300 x 700 x 1300 mm Air consumption: 3500 m³/h Motor output: 1,5 kW weight of the machine ca.: 150 kg The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

x-travel: 1800 mm y-travel: 1600 mm z-travel: 1400 mm Control: Siemens type: 840 D size of pallet: 1000x1250 mm numbers of pallets: 2 : 360 ° Table load: 3500 kg Tool changer: Pos. chip conveyor: Cooling through the spindle: bar workpiece swivable +/-: 2100 mm positioning accuracy: 0,01 mm spindle taper ISO: 50 transmission ratio: 2 Torque: 1130 NM turning speeds: 25-10.000 U/min Feed: 1-40.000/50.000 mm/min total power requirement: kW weight of the machine ca.: 43 t dimensions of the machine ca.: 11x9x34,5 m The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non- binding. We reserve the right to prior sale, Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. About us More than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop If you are interested in selling machines, prod ...

Four metalworking machines are offered. 1) Cloos GLC 255 MIG/MAG welding machine, year of manufacture: 2004, dimensions X/Y/Z: approx. 980mm/450mm/700mm, weight: approx. 115kg. 2) Cloos GLC 353 MC3 MIG/MAG pulsed welding machine, year of manufacture: 2007, weight: approx. 160kg. 3) hebö Type II bar twister, year of manufacture: 1979. 4) Eisele VMS II PV-p circular saw, year of manufacture: 1974, weight: approx. 290kg. Inspection by prior arrangement is possible.

: neu : ca. 12 Wochen ab Auftrags : Türkei : 97400 € : 1840.86 € : 2050 mm : 30 mm : 30 mm : 25 mm : 25 mm : 20 mm : 350 mm : 350 mm : 260 mm : 1,5-5 m/min : 22 kW : 5000 mm : 2000 mm : 1900 mm : 11000 kg 4 rolls fullhydraulic drive of upper roll and lower roll hydraulic infeed of lower and side roll digital read-out of lower and side rolls position hardened rolls conical bending device hydraulic load relieving of upper roll hydraulic drop-end bearing 2 working speeds central lubrication system protectionagainst overload moveable control pane according to CE rules OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT: infinitely adustable speed of rolls hydraulic side support hydraulic top support NC control IMPORTANT ISSUES AT CONICAL BENDING: the max. sheet metal thickness isequivalent to 50 % of nominal capacity the cone length can be max. 30 % oremust be more than 60 % of roll length hardened rolls are recommende ...

saw blade diameter: 800 x 800 x 1500 mm cutting diameter: 200 mm stroke: 150 mm dimensions of the machine ca.: m total power requirement: 3 kW weight of the machine ca.: t The data for this ad was created with ModulMWS - the software solution of LogoTech oHG.

: neu : ca. 10 Wochen ab Auftrags : Türkei : 103100 € : 1948.59 € : 2550 mm : 25 mm : 25 mm : 20 mm : 20 mm : 16 mm : 350 mm : 350 mm : 260 mm : 1,5-5 m/min : 22 kW : 5500 mm : 2000 mm : 1900 mm : 13000 kg 4 rolls fullhydraulic drive of upper roll and lower roll hydraulic infeed of lower and side roll digital read-out of lower and side rolls position hardened rolls conical bending device hydraulic load relieving of upper roll hydraulic drop-end bearing 2 working speeds central lubrication system protectionagainst overload moveable control pane according to CE rules OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT: infinitely adustable speed of rolls hydraulic side support hydraulic top support NC control IMPORTANT ISSUES AT CONICAL BENDING: the max. sheet metal thickness isequivalent to 50 % of nominal capacity the cone length can be max. 30 % oremust be more than 60 % of roll length hardened rolls are recommend ...